Harley Davidson Lawsuits over CVo's

http://cyrilhuzeblog.com/2014/08/30...-cvo-limited-motorcycles-leak-engine-coolant/

It said CVO and limited
They was the only two bikes in 2014

Like I said a while back.
Have 2 very good people I know that are mechanics at a Dealership I been going to for years.
All of they told me on the side.
Stay away from the water cooled.
They are night mares .
Let us save you the trouble .
But you didn't hear it from us.

And they are leaner than any harley ever produced.
They was water cooled because of the leaner conditions and to meet future EPA conditions.
I spent Thousands of dollars to get the EPA stuff off of my Harley.

As far as I'm concerned, I own the last harley I will every buy.
I do not even go to the dealership to look at new bikes since they came out in 2014.
I have lost interest in the new bikes.
And you can't pick up a bike mag without seeing a Harley with a 26" front tire.
The future does not interest me in what is happening with bikes.

what you want mevto do.Trade down from a limited
and go back to epa stuff on a bike

no I want this to bite Harley in the butt real hard
HD is pushing the epa standards

I believe the carbed EVOS are the best and the Electraglide between 2002 and 2008 before the frame change and having the delphi EFI

To me the frame changes were much needed for the bigger motors. And they ride better and handle better.
The EFI are a lot easier to a great motor. Like them a heck of a lot more than the carbed motors.


Its the Water cooled Exhaust valve, and the radiators and water pump and hoses.
And the catalyst converters. And I personally don't like the anti lock brakes.

Seems like everything nowadays is a fad. And you got to get on the fad and ride it.
Not for me.
I can see what is happening and don't like it.
HD has lost my money.

I have bought 5 motorcycles new in the last 7 or 8 yrs.
And looked at a 14 limited till I seen it was water cooled exhaust valve and seen where they are headed.
Had a HD salesman say HD was coming out with some water cooled motors several years ago. To see how the public would take them. And they was still gonna make some air cooled motors.
And if they didn't go over well they would drop back and punt.,

Problem is the bikes get leaner and leaner and leaner. With them being leaner they are going to PRODUCE more heat.
And being new they are gonna produce more heat till you get over 10,000 on them.
It takes too much money to get them to runing right and getting the EPA stuff off.
For me if people keep buying it. They will keep producing it.
HD is out for money and they stock holders. Not the people that buy their product.

I want HD to feel the heat. And start looking out for they consumers and screw everybody else.
If not , They have lost my money after spending it on them since the 70's.

In my club, the rich city slickers own about 9 water cooled Limiteds and 4 CVO's. The very first 4 Limiteds leaked and then got fixed. The rest have all been fine (so far anyway). These guys all had late model Limiteds andUltras and a couple of Street Glides. All say that the new ones are a lot cooler to sit on than the 2011-2013s that they owned. If I had the dough, I'd buy one. JMO

Just spent 20,000 on a 2015 Kia Soul.
I could of bought one. But I refuse to buy a water cooled HD from the advise of 2 harley mechanics.
And I do not like what would happen if dropped yer bike . The damage with the radiators in the lowers.
No water cooled for this dude.

Don't want a 2.000 radio on the fairing either.
Warranty will last long enough for it to go out.

Nor do I want a slot threw the fairing for wind to blow threw.
It would be hell here to keep the bugs cleaned out of it.
Had a lot of other people that said the same thing I'm saying.
And the price went up.
Do not like the shape of the new tour packs compared to the years before.
No cigarttte lighter either. and I don't smoke.
I forgot what all I looked at that I didn't like.

If you want one I wish you all the best luck.

But you won't see this Redneck on one.

I plan to keep my 04 FLHTCI for many years...

The EPA has overstepped it's boundaries in many other areas as well. All the extraneous crap you see on motorcycles now is only going to get worse and the same goes for cages, too.

The only way around it is to have an older bike or cage that is exempt from all the EPA rules.

Any time new technology or ideas come out it is usually a good idea to wait a year for the bugs to be worked out. As far as techs not liking new stuff, that is the same with most things in life, you like what you are familiar with. Give it 4-5 years, you may be plunking down money on one. Cooling systems on motors have been around a few years in industry, I'm sure H-D can wrap their head around it.

All mechanics might not be trained as well as others. and might over look stuff.


The mechanic I'm talking about went to MMI school years ago. Has been doing Harley for years now. He has very good work habits too.
He built all the 120R they did at a dealership.

He is the highest tech there nest to the master mechanic tech.
I've seen him work. He works on the bikes everyday.

I can line up about 10 people who also do not like the ABS brakes.
and it seems everybody that has them, think the abs by themselves saved their lives.
How have I rode a motorcycle for 50 yrs without ABS and all of a sudden HD comes out with ABS and it should be Mandatory that every bike comes with them.
Take your ABS fuse out and go ride yer bike.

You should know how to gear down, and use the back and front brake together to stop .

Got a rich buddy that races Dirt bikes and has been riding a long time.
He has a SE Street Glide. He hates his ABS.
His buddy got I think its a 2012 or a 2013 Ultra without ABS.
And he likes the non abs a lot better.

If you like them great. There are a lot of us that don't like ABS.
Only person that I know that likes it is Chucktx.

I also started at 14 yrs old. And raced dirt bikes.

And the mechanic is about 30 yrs old. Not stuck in any old way man.

several of us has had the ABS to go into a shaking mode and nearly shake us off the bike and went threw a intersection because it wouldn't STOP the bike. Dropping off a small hit and after we hit some pot holes.