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High Oil Pressure

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by FLHTbiker, Jan 5, 2011.

  1. fxdxriderleo

    fxdxriderleo Active Member

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    I use Amsoil 20w50 in the engine, 10w40 in the primary, 75w110 in the tranny. The only trouble I've had is one of the inner cam bearing took a crap. It took out the engine case. I don't think that was an oil issue. From what I've read they got some less than right cams and bearings in 03.
    I had the extended warranty so Harley did a remanufacture on the engine for the $50 deductable on the warranty. Well worth the $1000 extra for 5 years extra coverage.
    I might do the cam chain and tensioner upgrade soon. When I do I'll put in better cam bearings.
  2. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    harley didnt put better bearings in???
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    So what you want me to do, tear it down and change em.
    Nah..........
    It would be too big of a job for me.
  4. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    wasnt talkin to you, but, changing cam brgs. is not a hard job........
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    What yer STill mad at me. Geez

    I thought y'all was talkin about Tranny bearings . My Bad.........:D
  6. fxdxriderleo

    fxdxriderleo Active Member

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    They use INA bearings they are cheaper than Timken. The money they save on each bike cam amount to a fair chunk of change, At least to the bookkeepers.
    If they build 100,000 engine a year and save $1 on each engine thats $100,000 dollars they save. If they have to rebuild 10 or 15 of them they are money ahead. Most people don't get the extended warranty and most engines last more than the 1 year warranty that my 03 had, or even the two year they put on in 04.
    Even with a 3-5 year warranty they won't have to fix many bikes. It was about 5 1/2 years and just under 40,000 miles when mine went bad.
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    75-140 gear oil is too thick for the tranny, Cardboard. Maybe that's why the bearings went bad. Should use 75-90 weight syn. for tranny and primary.

    Syn. oil is too slippery for break-in and doesn't allow the rings to seat properly on a new motor. Car engines are water cooled and don't get as hot as air cooled motors.

    New cars coming out with syn. oil are all robotically built and run on the assembly machine in a controlled cycle before they even go in the car. Harley motors are still hand built.
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Alex, then how come a 110 motor or the older SE bikes with the 103 in them came with Syn3 in the motor?
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    That ain't what the Oil engineers with Amsoil told me.
    The got a number you can call and talk with the engineers when they are open and ask them questions about their products for free when you join as a member.

    And on the tranny oil.
    A Harley Mechanic runs the thickest gear oil he could git from REdline in his tranny.

    YouTube - RedLine Heavy Shockproof
  10. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    That oil your using is to heavy of an oil, maybe thats why you had starter issues, I've run Redline shock proof gear oil in my tanny's in all my Harley's for years without an issue. You have to remember that all those tests amsoil vs the others was all conducted by amsoil and not a independent tester.
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Yer trying to say the Redline shockproof is too heavy.
    You ever been in Texas with the heat.

    What caused the problem was the Power Commander and it not being tuned.
    It only had a map for WOT till I got it tuned about amonth ago.
    The timing was Way off too.

    All that is history. Lesson learned.
    I wished TM had of had a unit out for TBW.
    We put a TBW unit on my buddys 2010 Se SG. It runs great.
  12. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Talking about the gear oil from amsoil that your pushing:rolleyes:
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    The 75-140. it was real good oil dude.
    When I sold my bike it shifted smoothe and make no noises.

    Think the 100 hp and the torque and hammering the bike put a lot of pressure on the bearing in the tranny.
    The dealer has told me the rest of the bike can't handle all the power. The next thing in line behind the motor to work on is the tranny.
    Got a buddy that bought a 7 speed Baker. Took it out within 5 months. Didn't like 1st gear. tooo short.
    Got the factory tranny rebuilt and put it back in.

    The Oil I had in it when it was under warranty was the 75-90 gear oil.
    Wolfgang GRasser even tole me a month ago. He liked the REdling Shockproof.
    Its thicker than pepto bismal.
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  14. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Run the redline in the tranny and keep on riding
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    I'll have to order it online. NObody carries Redline anything within 50 miles of me or farther.
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Stock up on a few quarts then. My HD dealer sells it.
  17. hotroadking

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    It has been proven over and over that synthetic
    is NOT slipperyer than dyno, it's lubricity properties
    are EXACTLY the same. 20W-50 Syn = 20W-50 Dyno
    that is why ASPI ratings are the same...

    What synthetic does is not break down
    as fast as dyno, so it maintains its ability to
    lubricate your engine over time, so at 5000 miles
    the synthetic still works like dyno and syn did when
    they were put in the engine fresh at the last change.
    Please don't keep spreading this stuff, it's wrong, it misleads people :gah:

    Next you'll be saying it causes bearing skate....:witsend:



    Many high end engines are hand built bugatti, ferrari, lambo, all hand assembled,

    What is true is that today's engine parts are made in CNC machines and have tighter tolerances settings, and consequently last longer
    and require even thinner lighter oils such at 0W-40 in my 03 FJuan Fiddy.

    Not using syn during break-in has more to do with cost, if you are going
    to run 400 to 500 miles and change over with new filter after break in, it's simply cheaper to run dyno and it's properties are just as good as synthetic
    for that time frame.

    Synthetic works great and keeps on working great over time, that is it's advantage, nothing more...
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    The only good reason I ever heard for running dino oil over the more expensive synths for the first break-in of an engine is that you will be changing it out between 100 ~ 500 miles, so it doesn't need to be the slickest, longest lasting stuff around.
  19. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Hotroadking; What do you do for a living...Are you involved in the motorcycle world or related to its function some how cause you really have a vast knowledge of it. Not knocking you at all I think its a good thing. :D
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Was gonna tell you FLHT, put my polly propolene on today and my chaps and sweatshiret and FXRG jacket.
    The weather was around 36*.
    Rode my Limited. It wasn't bad with all the clothes on.
    Had the heated hand grips on 2 1/2 and they was plenty warm with some medium weight winter gloves.
    Felt good to ride it again.

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