Hp.

Bikes back then didn't have as close of toleranced of bikes today.

Back then there was Castrol Oil and HD oil to name a couple

I are a graduate and can add: 1976-1998 makes 22.

I never liked the chain primary period. Wanted all gears, but cost too much. Self tensioner came about because people wouldn't adjust the old style manual-adjust until the chain chewed through the case. Self adjust set-up works well until you start doing speed shifts and burn outs. Trans bearing problems are from overly tight drive belt.

Ironically, Victory poked fun at H-D on this too when they bragged about their gear drive primary. But 2013 Victories now have chain drive primary that look like they copied H-D's, and are bragging about how simple it is.

Buddy down the street buys a lot of harley tools. He got one of the belt tensioner tools.
I like having it to use on my bike. He will let me use it anytime I want.

Motorcycle Repair: Inspecting & Adjusting the Final Drive Belt on a 2008 Harley Davidson Road Glide - YouTube

Right but your comment was that I bought a 22 year old bike and blamed the manufacturer for issues.

My post was pretty clear; I bought a 2 year old bike and did not make reference to any manufacturing issues; just to keep things straight.

Thanks for calling that to my attention; that explains Alex's comments. It was typo; I bought the '76 Sporty in '78. My bad, I will go stand in the corner now.:gah:

well i got the 88B dynoed i ended with 66 hp and 71 lbs of tq.

Looks like your baseline stock tune?

I forgot to mention that the "B" motors make a little less torque because of the counter-balancer. Most folks can't feel the difference, but it's there.

Know some folks that say they will not build a performance B motor anymore just on account of the counter balancers:rant:

it sure does run smooth now after installing the p/c.

got about 3 tuners downstairs somewhere i ran them on a bike
one was a pcv
it keep ereasing the program

That must be why the Lucky didn't get a 15%-20% increase?

Our measurements were on NEW motors taken randomly and given as "average", and Lucky never said it was a "B" motor.

No one building motors can get exactly the same #'s each time--too many variables, but the 15-20% numbers are a piece of cake, especially when using a f.i. tuner (Fuelmoto I think he originally said). Stock a.f.r. is 17:1 EPA mandate. A tuner that adjusts a.f.r to 14:1 (optimum) will gain 10% all by itself.

Ain't 17.1 afr kinda real lean
And with the AFR's that lean didn't they advance the timing

I can remember back in 07 they had a recall because the Bikes were so lean they was burning a hole in the pistons
Forgot what the recall was called. Some kind of recalibration

If Lucky is riding an A motor, even worse. If 15%-20%is piece of cake achievable, why don't we see it more often; it is more the exception than the rule.

Stoich is 14.7 but an air cooled vtwin doesn't like to run that lean. By the time a good tuner gets through tuning a TC, you will see 13.2-13.4 about as lean as they get at idle; the AFR will bounce around at idle and you could see AFR readings of 14 or higher but the average is going to be mid 13s. At cruise you will see the AFR vary from about 12.2 to 13.2. I have never seen an optimum tune with an AFR above leaner than 14. The motor will run too hot and heat is the mortal enemy of the air cooled vtwin. JMHO.

Here again, I'm saying the factory is at the mercy of the EPA to achieve clean air, fuel mileage, noise, etc.--not optimum power. My bike is stock (inside) and I'm getting 60 mpg running cool and smooth. Although my riding is mostly at 8,000' elevation and much higher, the air temps are colder than what you may have where you ride. Remember that there is much less oxygen at these elevations too. A.F.R. is 16:1 @ 65 mph cruising with 1/4 throttle opening.

If you gave me free rein to make some changes to your bike: intake, exhaust system, f.i. tuner, I will go on record to say I can guarantee 25+ hp increase on a 96 motor without ever opening any cases. 103's would get more. I could probably make a good living doing this, but I'm retired.

Got a Buddy of mine that has a house in Colorado Springs where he spends the summer.
He has a built 97cu motor with a Thunder-Max. He was telling me that he gotg 50 mpg on a bagger.
I asked how.
Another buddy just went up to Colorado from FT Hood to meet his son, He took his 11 model bagger with a 103 and the The TM
He was saying how good his TM ran in colorado compared to his last bike that had a tune for the hot weather in Texas and when he went to colorado is popped and spuddered in the thin air.
He said there he got the same milage with his TM which was 50 mpg. He said you go 12 miles up a mountain, then you go 12 miles back down the mountain.
It don't take no fuel to go down the hills.
And the cool air makes the fuel burn much better than hot air.
But when he comes home to texas his fuel milage drops back down to 38mpg