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My Cam Tensioners

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by Fatboy128, Dec 11, 2013.

  1. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    HD went with chain drives due to EPA noise regulations, gear drives are noisy, and the chains also allow for movement, it wasn't for any other reason. His bike is an 02 and that's before HD changed the crank manufacturing process for the 96 cui engines that caused the bigger runout on the pinion.

    HD still runs cam chains, puts out 100K bikes a year and you don't see them all on the side of the road with the cam covers off being repaired.

    I wouldn't waste the money on gear drives and I've done them, unless you go really high performance with high lift cams. Just pull the old ones off and slap on new ones, polish the outside edges of the chains if you wish for a smooth chain.

    But CB is correct, if you are going gear you will need to check pinion shaft runout.

    Stick to a mild low 500 lift cam, HD, Andrews, Woods, SNS they are all going to be within a HP of each other. Spend the gear drive money on a set of HD 10 to 1 pistons in 95 inch and have a local shop that knows HD cylinders bore th stock ones out from 88 to 95, cheap, easy and instant CUI.

    If the budget permits a mild street port on the heads and intake will help, not necessary but hey while it's apart, why not. I've used Kirby a member with good success on a few bikes. His moniker is ProDrag

    Nothing substitutes for more inches...

    Contact Jamie at Fuelmoto.com for a powercommander preprogrammed for the cam and pipes you use. No dyno time needed.

    In short, change the cam tensioner shoes, polish the outside of the cam chains, put in a mild low 500 lift cam, replace the lifters because you are in there and it's cheap, bore the cylinders to 95 and put on a power commander.
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm going to do a build on my 2003 88 Heritage Springer to a 95 inch. Going to put the 211 Harley cams in with the high compression Pistons. Upgrading the cam plate and oil pump to the new style. Won't do the gear drive as the new style tensioners are a huge improvement and last a long time. Will probably have to jet the carb as well once I get it done. The Harley 211 cams will give a good strong torque range. Going to do this while the dealer has their winter specials.
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    Aw come on do it yerself ! We'll help us thru it.
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    There are better choices for cams than the 211 cams.
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Nope
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    I knew that was coming! Ha!!
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    Takes a lot of tools to do it yourself. And on a 88cu you need a press.
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Yep
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    When you do a engine, it makes it a whole lot better if you got a extra person helping.
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    Fatboy128 Well-Known Member

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    If I lived nearby I'd help. Always love an excuse or reason to buy tools! Love working on machines. Hot rodded the engine on my 1981 Suzuki 1100 to a fire breather 160+ mph bike.
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    Doing the cams will just make you want more. I'd do a 98cu build.
    Do a package.
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    The 95 is a long proven reliable package that delivers a nice boost. Also, don't forget he's doing a "B" engine and the bigger us go the more out of balance I think you will create. (I assume that the balance shafts are dialed in to the 88 combustion pulses only)
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    The 98 is a proven package too holmes. Hope you did the heads with the 95cu.
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    Need to match the cam with the heads.
    Think on the 95cu they have a TW6-6 Woods cam.
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    hmm my 124 was still balanced and smooth

    211 and new cam plate is a good mod
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    The 95 inch with 211 cams and the new cam plate with oil pump upgrade is a real cost effective gain in performance. That 211 cam with the high compression pistol is a really strong performer.
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    May be s good cam.
    But they have come our with a lot of new cams since th at cam.
    You know they are doing a little more, then try to refine stuff.
    Different duration.
    Bob constantly trys to make his Cama a little better.
    Gary with fuel moto has been doing some great work with the heads & Carbs.
    They have some great builds.
    Think Bob helped get all of them together.
    Jamie has been doing good with the power vision.
    He tunes a lot of the builds.
    He has a good selection of maps too.
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Cardboard I don't have fuel injection. My 03 is a carb so maps won't do me any good.
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    Ain't the 211 cams SE.
    I'm not a great fan of Harleys Cams.

    You do have jets in yer bike that can be replaced for more fuel.
    You may have to do something to change the timing.
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    Yes, yes and yes

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