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new nose cone for shovelhead

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by joshbob, Dec 7, 2013.

  1. joshbob

    joshbob Well-Known Member

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    Lick's claims that the helmet is the lightest, smallest 3/4 DOT on the market. It weighs 1.8 pounds and since I shaved a small bit of material from the inside it fits like a glove. I think I'm not going to wear my old half helmet anymore because the 3/4 also cuts down on the motor and wind noise, a feature I liked when I had a 3/4 a couple of years back. If the stuff arrives from Kirby by Friday, I may be able to get it all together for the weekend. We will be having a heat wave by then in the mid 60s through Monday :D. Right now it's 16 degrees.

    Got the inner cam bearing yesterday from J&P. It must be NOS from Crane as it is stamped "USA" & B138 on the edge. The bearing fits Evos and shovels. Still haven't removed the old bearing. Waiting for Tattoo to get back to work so I can borrow his puller & insertion tool.
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    The parts came in today's mail. Everything looks good - I'm very excited. But my truck had to go to the truck hospital and I must come up with nearly $600 to get it back. Always something . . . never fails.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    life has a way of fuggin up yer plans
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    So ya make a plan B. Gonna try and get Mac the Wife to get the tools from Tony today. If that happens, I can pull the old bearing tomorrow and get started assembling the motor.

    Each day it's warming up a little more and by Saturday we'll be up in the 6os until Tuesday. High risk of rain a couple of those days, but that's the way it is around here in winter - warmer days are almost always accompanied by showers and after that it gets cold again.

    I am so glad I have the parts and I'm looking forward to working on the bike again. Got wood to burn, beer in the fridge and tunes to listen to while I work. Things could be far worse LOL.
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    Have a question about my new inner cam bearing. I tried the fit on the end of the Andrews cam and it's a bit sloppy. Is that normal? My old bearing that's still in the motor has about the same amount of free play. I'm thinking maybe I can go with the bearing that's in the motor since they seem to be about the same as far as free play is concerned.

    Checked with Tattoo and he says he doesn't have an inner cam bearing puller.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Do you have access to a car parts chain store?

    They will have a puller that can remove the bearing.

    It's not wise to go with the old bearing, and while you
    might get away with it, the new Torrington B138
    is a much better bearing.

    Last thing you want is the inner cam bearing going
    to shit after all this work and spreading metal
    everywhere.

    Autozone, Pepboys, etc all of them will rent the tool
    for free, just leave DL or CC infor and then return.
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    The Torrington is better than a Crane? I just located a Torrington inner cam bearing ('70 thru '85 shovelhead) on Ebay for $21 including S&H, but have not bought it yet.

    I have my doubts it will fit any better than the Crane. I was surprised how loose the new Crane bearing was when I slipped it over the end of the new Andrews cam. Is that normal?
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    The crane bearing appears to be made by torrington, cranes not making their own in fact Crane doesn't exist anymore I believe they were bought out by SNS.

    The B138 from your earlier post led me to believe it's a torrington and the bearing manufacturer of choice, it's not going to fit tight, it should just slip over the cam will be supported by the nose cone and ride in the bearing,

    Now if you have a 1/8 inch play where the bearing is really sloppy I might be concerned..

    its should fit but not snug fit, plus put assembly lube on all the ends of the cam, lobes, lifters etc, slop that stuff everywhere so it doesn't start up dry...
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    20140109_1 (640x480).jpg Oh well . . . I just wasted another $21 - I just ordered a Torrington/Koyo bearing from Ebay before I read your last post. After reading your previous post (#26) earlier, I read the instructions that came with the cam and Andrews also recommended using a Torrington bearing (as did Lucifer). The "Crane" bearing does have more slop than I'm comfortable with, but not an 1/8th of an inch - more like a 32nd of an inch or less. It also has "Koyo" stamped on it, and from the research I have done, it is a "Torrington" bearing, so I'm going to go with it. I will probably give the spare to Tattoo as the bearing I'm putting in will outlast me LOL . . .
    I have access to an Auto zone for the puller, but if I walk in there and ask for a shovelhead inner cam bearing puller they are going to look at me as if I came from another planet :rolleyes:.

    To date, I've spent over $500 to try and get rid of the cam seal oil leak. Hoping this will do the trick.
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    What you need is a Blind Spot Puller autozone should have them
    take the one bearing with you, don't install it on the puller but
    check to see it is close in size you push it through the old bearing
    and then slowly tighten it down and it will pull the bearing out
    of the case, reverse to install but you have to be sure to be square to the case to push it in, you don't want to go hammering it in it needs to be pressed in straight, smooth and to the correct height. you don't want to bust it up
    Here is a kit for the installer and puller on ebay

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harley-Davi...volution-/310829362406?_trksid=p2054897.l4276

    you could buy them then sell to tattoo if he doesn't have them
    or sell them on a board or ebay get your money back..
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    OK just thought of this, when you get ready to do this put the new bearing in your freezer in the shed but not on any ice if you can slip a piece of card board in and set it on that, we don't want it to get ice or moisture, let it stay in there for 30 min to an hour, the bearing will shrink in size enough to make the install easy.

    To get the old one out you could heat up the case with a propane torch or torch lighter, then hit the bearing with some R134 refrigerant from the auto store
    shrinking it, dang thing might come out without the puller.

    The big key on the install is making sure it's perfectly aligned, don't force
    it needs to go in straight, and that's the advantage of having the correct tool but it can be done without it.

    the frozen bearing might just slip right in without an installer using the old cam
    as an inner alignment too (or the new cam) you shouldn't have to force it constant pressure is the key...

    If you use the old cam be sure it's lined up, and tap in gently and smoothly,
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    That's a very good tip HRK and yes it does work.
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    Thanks HRK. Kirby didn't send the old cam back. It's $110 for the ebay kit which would bring me to well over $600 on fixing this dang oil leak. It's getting expensive and I can't justify buying that tool for a one time job.

    I will try warming up the case with a torch lighter, as you say, and then spraying some R134 refrigerant on the bearing, then pull it.

    I am going to try using the new cam for the install, taking your advice and freezing the new bearing about an hour. I assume the bearing sits flush to the edge of the case? It appears the old one is sitting flush.
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    20140110_1 (640x480).jpg Here's a pic of a puller I borrowed from Mike, my farm mechanic friend. A similar slide hammer puller is used to pull the same bearing in a picture in my SM by a Harley tech. I think this'll do the job . . .
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    there is a lip or should be at the back of the case where the bearing
    will seat, its not heavy duty so when you install just smooth until you
    feel it seat, you can listen the sound will change a bit, but get it flush with the front and it should seat.

    That puller looks like it would work, it's a slide puller not a pressure puller
    like is normally used you shouldn't have to be hard on it, just even, if you freeze the old bearing it may just come right out...
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    OK. Like I said earlier, the slide hammer is what they used in my '70 to early '78 service manual. Shows a picture of a guy removing the old inner cam bearing with it, and installing the new bearing with a ball peen hammer & special tool. I thought that was interesting . . . 20140110_2 (640x480).jpg Old tech never dies - it just fades from the scene LOL.
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    Yeah you can do it that, nothing wrong with the technique, it's alignment
    that is key, you should be able to tackle it...

    Sorry I wasn't clear on the bearing earlier, a B138 is a torrington, it's got roller after roller after roller, the HD bearing has a small spacer between the rollers and isnt as good.

    DOn't forget to use lube!

    (Assembly Lube)
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    Did a few bearings with the heat and freeze method...works good,the bearings practically fell in...should have mentioned when you said you bought a Crane bearing that it was a Torrington...
    Did you get a cam shim kit too??You're going to need shims to set end play and your old gasket...SM should have end play specs...
    I usually put the bearing in the freezer the night before I was going to install it(frost free freezer) never had a moisture problem,but put in in there on something like the packaging it came in....
    You could use the new cam to install,but I'd only do that as a last resort,if Tattoo has an old shovel or Evo cam you can use one of them(preferably with no gear on it)...With your wood working skills you could make an installer out of hard wood and put your old cam shim on the end of it...
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    josh,let me know if you want to borrow remove/install tools
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    You can pickup a slide hammer puller like that for a cheap price at any Harbor Freight store, if you have one around you. You can also pickup installers at Harbor Freight or like some suggested make your own.

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