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No oil top end

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by cowboy, Jun 25, 2011.

  1. cowboy

    cowboy Moderator Staff Member

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    Ringo thanks for the great info it will help , I just got the new pump yesterday , going to try & get it installed this weekend
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    yup, that is the way it was done........
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    Yep just did it like this again :)
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    cowboy Moderator Staff Member

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    :witsend: I rein stalled the new oil pump started the bike oil moving good:D I installed the cam cover & started the bike again top end getting oil:D I then put the rocker cover on , tank & seat lower the jack , need a nut for the exhaust run to town get one & tighten the exhaust start bike & the darn oil light comes on & top end makeing a rattley sound no oil :banghead:, it was over 100 with the heat index yesterday so I just came into the AC to cool off both from the heat & the bike :cussing::angry::wtf:
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    Cowboy,

    What all did you do to the top end of the engine? It is interesting that you had oil at the top end until you put the rocker box covers on. Do you have an oil pressure gage on the bike? If so, what kind of pressure are you getting?

    If I remember correctly, the oil light doesn't come on until the oil pressure is down to around 8 psi. Also, I'm kinda of leaning to what Chuck said about a gasket upside down. The gasket that is under the rocker arm support plate can be installed upside down on the wrong head, and right side up on the correct head. If it is installed upside down, it will affect the oil flow. Let us know what ya find.

    Ringo
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    so are you saying that there is no real way to know which way is the correct side up on the rocker cover gaskets?
  7. cowboy

    cowboy Moderator Staff Member

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    Ringo the top end is a 06 model , on my 03 ,Yes there's a right way & wrong way to put the gaskets JB , if not right way it blocks off a oil passage
    No on the oil gauge , I'am thinking of buying another gasket & pulling the top end off & double check my work , I have a lot to do these next couple of weeks , both legal & family trying to get stuff in order to go out of state for Mom's 90th birthday party & my 60th two days apart so my siblings have set the day in the middle for the get together :cool:
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    I get what it does when it is installed wrong, just kind of amazed that they aren't cylinder specified and marked accordingly if it is that easy to switch them.
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    They are, and you can tell by the way they fit and cover
    the oil passages...
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    So if installed wrong will it still allow oil to flow? Or are the completely blocked an allow none?
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    The rocker cover gaskets are not an issue. It is the gasket that is between the head and the rocker arm support plate, (lower rocker box). The gaskets are marked "Front" on one side of the gasket and "Rear on the other side.

    They can be installed on either head upside down or right side up. When you install them, it's critical that you make sure the side marked front is installed on the front head and the side marked rear is installed on the rear head. The gasket is design to, when installed properly, cover and seal off the crankcase breather channel.

    If they are installed upside down, the breather channel will be partially exposed. This will cause low oil pressure, but most importantly it usually causes a major oil leak because the oil flows into the breather channel and exits through the breather tubes going the your air cleaner, or to the ground if your breather tubes are routed there. I was just reading back in all the posts and I see that Cowboy is not seeing any oil leaks, so these gaskets are probably not the issue.

    Low oil pressure can be caused from several things. Missing or improperly installed gaskets or o-rings, broken spring in the oil pressure relief valve, bad oil pressure sending unit, and some of the most obvious, bad rings, pumps, etc.
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    I ended up installing an oil pressure gauge on my 02' Heritage. Don't like the idiots lights, can't tell if you have low pressure, bad oil pressure switch, or an elcetrical short. I bought the one from HD. Comes with the gauge, bracket, oil line and manifold that your pressure and the oil line screw into. It mounts on the rear rocker box cover. I got of the cheap plastic oil line they give you and replaced it with a stainless steel one. The kit runs about $60.00. So even if you have a bad pressure switch, you have a gauge to read pressure. I'll try an post a couple of pics.
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    Yep meant to say rocker box base gasket, not the tops
    the tops on TC engines do have a specific way they go, but
    there is no right or wrong just position due to the way the
    box is formed.

    I'll go out on a limb and say it's possible also that the crank is way out of spec
    and possibly busting up the oil pump have you tried turning it over with a dial indicator on the crank to check run out on the pinion shaft?

    If you were getting oil at idle I cannot see any reason the engine would
    stop putting oil up top with just the addition of the tops, they only contain the oil in the box, nothing flows through the tops of the rocker boxes.

    I'm hoping you didn't hear any bang, pop, crack noises,
    maybe the switch is bad or wire loose on the oil pressure switch?
    and Yeah a Gauge would be good to tell you if you
    really have pressure.

    Sounds like you will be taking the cam cover off again...
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    I'm HRK on checking the pinion shaft run-out. To do it correctly you need to remove the cam plate assembly and oil pump. If you leave the cam plate in, the pinion shaft will be supported by the bushing in the cam plate and you won't get a true reading. With the cam plate out, you will get the true actual reading for run-out of the pinion shaft.
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    Thanks for the info Ringo & HRk , I'am not sure how to check the pinion run out so will check with chuck to see if he can , If not I take it to my indy & let him have a go at it ,
    No oil leaks any where ,I trust chuck & my indy shop so either way one will get the work , I just want to trust riding it again
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    It does make riding so much more fun when you trust your ride doesn't it? I know the exact feeling that you have. :)
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    cowboy Moderator Staff Member

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    Yep I was enjoying the ride , after the new to end , for the 254 trouble free miles then the pump took it's dump on me & now 5 min on the jack was good then setting it down & then out :(
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