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Paints comin off

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by cardboard, Jun 20, 2009.

  1. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    OK as long as nothing you've done has caused the frame coating to peel, ie aftermarket exhaust bracket,cover hitting the frame, causing a nick that caused the damage to occur...

    That dealer doesn't understand Magnusson Moss - you cannot void a warranty (and a dealer cannot void a warranty) because of an aftermarket part, it must be proven that the aftermarket part caused the damage for it to void the warranty so if you have a metzler rear tire and royal purple, Ness Air filter and Keith black pistons, it has nothing to do with the frame.

    I would call HD customer service, start a log, be nice, these gals and guys get hammered by dickheads all day, so being nice goes a long way, complaining is ok but not bytiching... jmo

    Explain the situation as for a determination, explain who told you (name and dealer) that the warranty was void, why, that frames are not warranty covered by HD etc.

    I'll bet that dealer gets a little call from HD about fixing your problem.

    Don't blame HD for the dealer being an azz...

    If that doesn't work get an attorney to go after them, he'll charge HD the fees, anyway..
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    OK call HD customer service, log the issue, explain what the dealer has been telling you about warranty, after you confirm the coverage exists, they will ask you who you have been talking to, explain dealers name, contact, who told you what etc.

    Dealers cannot void warranty they are not the manuf. Only HD can void the warranty
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    Called HD customer support yesterday, talked with I believe it ws Roxanne, told her which dealer I had called, and what they told me, she asked if I had any pictures, I said the dealer took about 25 pictures. She called the dealer and talked to JR in service and he said he would send her the pictures.
    She asked me how many miles I had on my 08 bike, i said 28,000
    She told me she wouldn't make any promises but she would look into it and see what she could do.
    I told her she could call the dealer and or call me on my Cell phone thats on their computer at HD from where I got the bike.
    All I can do is wait more. Done been waitin at least 4 months.:banghead:
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    That's the way to handle it,
    Aftermarket parts don't void a warranty
    the part has to cause the failure under Magnusson-Moss to void the warranty, HD knows this, even if the dealer doesn't

    Next time you're there when they say you have to use HD parts to keep the warranty intact just look at the guy and tell him he's just put the dealership and HD in violation of the Federal Warranty Act AKA Magnusson Moss, and if HD and the dealer requires HD parts to maintain the warranty then they have to give them to you the user for Free, ask him when you can schedule you free oil change and filter.

    LOL

    Take it easy on Roxanne and just work with her, as long as the frame has no damage from a rock knocking it off (that would not be a warranty issue) or a part that is hitting it due to being installed wrong) or wreck damage it should be covered...

    It all depends on what the dealer tells them, if you have to insist that you get a HD zone rep in on the coversation at the dealer to inspect the bike...
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    Keep us posted cb & let us know when to let the sh!t fly I like sending e-mails to HD
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    A appreciate the help from everybody, Thanks !
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Was back at the Harley dealer today, asked about what HD is going to do about the rust on the frame where the paint came off.

    The service mgr said HD said they was going to have them to take it and have it painted with a new paint like the powercoat paint.
    I asked the service mgr when this is gonna happen.
    He said he talked to the dude that did their painting and he has never used the stuff HD Tech support wants it sprayed with.

    HD told the dealership to mask it off and spray it.
    The service manager asked HD how somebody is gong to use the new powercoat paint without strippin the bike. Nobody has used the process that HD uses.
    They had no answer.
    The service mgr said he goes from one person at HD to another person in another department trying to git this problem taken care of.
    He said hes ready to replace the frame but HD don't want to sell him one. HD isn''t warranting frames.
    So the service mgr is still going round and round with HD and gittin nowhere.
    I got to like Oct 24th on the problem.

    So when you stand up and talk about HD warranties and all I had a 2 yr warranty and been on this problem for about 7 months and HD don't seem to want to do anything. So what good is a HD warranty or a extended HD warranty. It ain't worth the paper it was written on.

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    Pretty bad that HD won't step up to the plate and just take care of it. I'd get it the rust removed and painted if they don't.
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Wonder if since this is documented if I don't do nothin to it and it rust threw and breakes and I git hurt, it this liability can be blamed on HD cause they didn't take care of a problem.:banghead:
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    I'd rather be all in one piece and still riding than trying to sue HD from a wheel chair.
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Understand
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    How deep would somebody's pocket have to be to tell HD the Mag/ Moss Act ?
    I'm sure as big as HD is their pockets and lawyers are deeper than mine.

    HD in Wisconson will not talk to me anymore.
    The dealer understands the problem.

    But if the dealer Rep and HD support in Wisconson does not seem to want to pay for anything cause they do not warranty frames, what can a dealer do.
    Seems like the farther the dealer digs, the more folks they switch him around to and nobody will give him the answer he is askin for.

    If you had a Warranty Claim and its during the warranty period, wouldn't you think HD would take care of the customer.
    Why should we have to go threw this on a new bike to git problems taken care of.
    But evertime we are at the dealers they tell us that everything we do can VOID our warranty.
    Never had a automobile dealership to say that to me.
    Where is the solution to the problem.:rant:
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Somebody on another forum posted this.

    Ride her up to Rushmore Plaza Civic Center, Exit 57
    444 Mount Rushmore Road N
    Rapid City, SD 55701 USA


    Hold a sign up that says Harley Davidson will not honor a warrenty on my defective frame. I'll bet someone from the motor company will be out to talk to you in a matter of minutes. :banghead:
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    trade it off for a honda!!!! i will still ride with ya!!!!:roflmao:
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    It would seem to me from looking at those pictures that you have a bigger problem them chipping paint. It looks like the metal corrosion is accelerated. If this bike is only a year old then that frame may break right at that point in another year.

    I got spots on my frame that have gotten nicked by road depris, but I don't have the corrosion problem like you have at all - and my bike is 12 years old now.

    If I where you I would demand a new frame since it is obvious that there is a big problem and repainting ain't gonna fix it. Your just going to get other nicks later on. And if it breaks on you while your ridding you could get seriously hurt. I haven't seen rust like that since I moved from the North East US.
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    I have to agree with Tom i would demand a new frame , I just seen a add on here & a link for this www.lemonlawauto.com said it has free lawyer's if that like wont leave out law , I reading & typing this & talking to my son long distence :D
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    OK this makes no sense DEMAND a meeting with the Zone Rep for HD, who his he/she, what is the phone number, when will they be coming in, have the dealer contact the rep,

    Dealer should be happy to do the work, he's gonna get paid to RNR a whole motorcycle

    HD may not want to write the check but unless the warranty book excludes the frame specifically,

    Ask the dealer to provide you, in writing the section of the warranty that states that the frame is not warranty covered for defects in material or workmanship...

    HD doesn't warranty the Frame,? that sounds like BS from the Dealer
    Have you tried a different dealer?

    Do you have anyone that is an attorney friend?

    Have them write the company a nice letter about how the damage was reported under the warranty period, and, in that the bike is being ridden, because HD hasn't said it shouldn't be ridden, if anything happens to you, your family and wife will be expected to retire nicely in Sarasota with a mansion on the coast.

    IE He's going to sue them for breach of contract,

    You need a attorney that works on commission, or will write the letter for a couple of hundred bucks, then when they agree to fix it, they need to give you a couple of hundred in gift certificates to cover his costs..

    Shouldn't cost you more than the cost of the first letter to get someone on the attack.

    Maybe Russ Brown....

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