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Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by JohnnyBiker, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. Fatboy128

    Fatboy128 Well-Known Member

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    I got a headache!
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    going to be pretty hard getting 10.5-1 out of flat top SE pistons,get 10.25-1 & take about .030 off the heads,ive got a real nice set of redshift .557`s if you set on that grind,PM me.like HRRK said,CNC porting is for knocking out 15 sets of heads in time it takes do hand port one set,ANY CNC ported head can be better with a final hand massage (beleave me,we do it all the time)
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if that really qualifies him as a bad indy but it does curtail me to trust him when it comes to performance stuff. Anything he has done for me has been bullet proof in the matter that I have to this point, never had to redo anything that he has done. All of his stuff has been solid.
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    Run from this Indy as fast as you can!!! Call people like T-man, Bobby Woods, Big Boyz heads or the like and tell them what you are wanting out of your bike (performance, etc) and then shut up and listen. My hunch is when you are thru listening to each one of them, do a cam compare on Big Boyz website, and you will find that each one of the builders will be really close in their specs. If they are not, they are not worth their weight in camel poop! Little home work and big ears will get you what you want!
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    JB we all started out at some point
    and I'm not saying he's a bad porter
    or has any problems.

    1) get references for builds similar to yours min 4 or 5
    2) ask for copies of the before and after STD/SAE dyno runs (industry standards)
    3) Give him two options, what can he do with what you have plus heads, and, if you were to change anything you have, what would he suggest (again see item 1)

    The smart money is on the guys that do it over and over and over
    and get it right, and can back it up with customers and dyno charts.

    You're gonna do what you want, and you should, but be sure what you are
    doing is going to go together well. Otherwise you'll be one of 100,000 + guys with
    lots of money in a build and nothing to show for it....
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    OK...the cam JB has now in his 88" comes on to late for him, so when he punches it out to 95"s will that same cam start to come on earlier because of the displacement increase??
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes, he needs more compression and some head work to get
    the numbers from the cam.

    That cam will start to WORK as explained by Andrews
    when he gets the build up to spec with the cam look at the
    SAE dyno I posted, simple mild build, just like JB is talking
    about doing, same cams, same pistons, head work, carb and
    then the next thread (what foooking pipes can i run, can I put
    those freaking stupid loud sporty pipes on my bagger LOL thread)

    Point is he's got half the stuff he needs already...
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    Know he don't like Woods cam. And I was thinkin that woods new 555 cam was for the 06 and up, but after talkin to a buddy, he said bob had a new kit to do the lower years, he was lookin at doing his 02 model with a Woods cam plate, oil pump and 555 cam. The 555 cam is a great cam. If I do a cam on my bike it will be the 555 woods cam.
  9. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Good cam for 103.
    You will need to raise compression some for it to work as advertised or an SMS 551 or Andrews 55.

    You can go up to 585 on the stick heads oh nine and up HD put on better springs

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Cam specs says STock springs.
    If the springs are ever replaced they will be with Woods springs.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    That's what I said, stock springs, if I wasn't clear
    the 09 and up heads have better springs and can handle more lift
    than the early tc's
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    My Bag , Didn't slow down on my speed reedin man.

    Wait I need :drunk:

    O.K. I'm back.
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    I would bet since the previous owner put in Andrews 37 cams he did a 95" with flat top pistons. I can't imagine anybody doing that cam without opening it up to get more flow going thru it. Also, doing the twist gear, this would be my guess on the transmission work on the 5 speed is a big mistake. You want to keep a Harley engine happy, especially on a heavy bike. You ask what is happy? Keeping the engine between 3000 and 3500 rpm. So how do you do this? One less tooth on the compensator sprocket. On the 01 to 06 touring bikes it's one of the best seat of the pants feel you can do. It will put you in the 65 to 80 mph range, perfect for the peak torque range for passing too. Some people say you will lose fuel mileage by doing this. I beg to differ, with the right build and tune, you should get 42 to 44 mpg just like I get on the 04 Ultra. Choose smart, enjoy the outcome! Good luck!
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    I was talking with Cowboy the other night and he had suggested to go back to the original tranny set up. I am not completely against this idea but it isn't anything that I am going to do soon. I have the previous owners contact information and I think that I am going to call him today and see what I can find out. I just have this feeling that he didn't give it a 95" kit because the numbers pulled from the dyno aren't that much greater than stock...
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    If he didn't do head work, those numbers would be in line with what I've seen out of the 37's with 95" kits. Not being able to move the needed fuel and air holds it back. I think if he left it stock a 26 cam would have been the choice. Got a friend that did just what your build sounds like and was very disappointed with the numbers.
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    Well said HRK. Heavy baggers need diff. camming than a light Sporty or Dyna. Cardboard posted an excellent link to T-Man Reiser's heads and cams. This guy has set LSR's with his bagger and knows the machine very well. Check out his head pkg. for Stage 4 baggers.
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    Tom Johnson discussed this exact problem in the current issue (Jan) of American Iron Mag. Of course his best recommendation was to buy a Baker DD7 gear box for $3400 for the best results.

    I rode a stock '08 FLHT w/96" motor and DD7 and couldn't believe it was the same motor as my StreetGlide.
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    Yeah Alex, I played with a lot of options for a long time and listened to a lot of knowledgable people. That one less tooth compensator sprocket was one of the best things outside of my motor build I ever did. I do all my own work with other builders time tested stuff. The Progressive stabilizer link was an awesome addition too. Last but not least was the Progresive gas fork dampeners. Twisties like a sporty on an Ultra now!
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    I'm going to get to 100K miles before I go through my motor (I'm at 89K now), but it's good hearing all this valuable practical info on performance builds from folks who've lived through it.

    I will also get the (1 tooth) smaller comp. sprocket as the original is too tall--only good for gas mileage. Heck, my tach is only reading 1,500 rpm @ 65mph now, but is good for effortless long miles and 50-55 mpg. I can ride over 300 miles before having to stop for gas, but my stomach makes me stop sooner.
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    Actually I called the dealership that I purchased the bike from and they have no record of any 95" kit being done to this bike. They were able to check if the bike was ordered from the factory with the 95" and is was not. So at least from 2006 up until now, the bike is a stock 88. The dealership said that they doubt it is a 95" as well based on the numbers that I gave them from the dyno run.

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