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Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by JohnnyBiker, Dec 15, 2011.

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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    Nope, that is his bike not mine and I do not want those kind of numbers. Although, mine isn't that far off. (According to Hillside).

    Funny that you mention fuel mileage, but I think that I should get better fuel mileage considering the throttle response that I will have with my new set up. Dontcha agree?
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    No !
    Throttle response used fuel. And yer wrist will use even more fuel cause you will not be able to not twist the throttle.
    And this is gonna stress a lot of things out on yer bike.
    You can't see now what I already see and know.
    But I guess if there was a magic answer you wouldn't be able to hear it.:gah:
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    I agree. But Scott made that ridiculous statement!!!
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    It won't be about the bike, it will be about you and how hard you twist the throttle.
    You will probaly git a adreline rush out of twisting it.
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    No, you don't understand, he flat out side that the bike should get better gas mileage.
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    Yea I guess theres a lot I don't understand. I just got out of Pampers and out running around on my own for the 1st time.
    Buy things come natural for me if I pay attention and have a lot of good friends.
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    OK??:confused: Still a lot of money for head work though.:rant:
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    Bullsh**

    Got any idea how important Headwork is. Got any idea how much work goes into good heads. What stage head work you trying to get done.
    His head work is 650.00. That's cheap.
    It takes head work with the valves to make the air and gas flow.
    you have any idea how much knowledge Scott has and how many bikes hes build.
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    Wrong dude, he told me $860 for head work + $600 for the other machine work, gaskets and pistons.
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    You must be lookin at STage II heads. And git a price on forged pistons, rings, gaskets and all. Still cheap. If you are doing a build and you tell the builder what you want. YOu can't cry about the price.
    Machine work and parts are not cheap. Gaskets add up pretty fast.
    Guess you've never done a real build.
    A motor like you've been talkin about. All together with machine work, and somebody puttin it together for you is around 4000 Give or take
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    Now that you mention it, he did say Stage II.
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    See how much a set if weisco forged pistons and rings are
    And look at the size of the valves in stage 2 heads
    You probably said I want 100 go or better
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    Got and idea on welding portin polishing stage two to get it ready for valves
    And flow bench work
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    :confused::confused: HUH???
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    YOu know when you go up from stage 1 to stage 2 heads Valves usually change sizes too. And more work goes into the heads.
    You make the intake ports rough, and polish the exhaust ports ,

    If you get real good heads done you will see it.
    I've had the opportunity to see heads being welded up, ported, polished, flowed, valves done and tested on flowbench. Understand all the work that goes into a good set of heads.
    Also seen a set of heads done by hand, Put on the flow bench and the heads taken back and redone again because the flow bench showed they wan't flowing the numbers wanted.
    I have been very lucky for people to let me see and learn this.
    CAn I do it. NO !
    Don't have the machinery and the experience.
    I've seen some folks try doing it by hand, it come out O.K. but not great.
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    Actually I was wrong. The head work alone will cost me $900. :witsend:
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    Did you ask what all is involved in stage II head work that it cost more. ?
    There's a reason. And they produce more Hp if everything else in the build is right.
    I know. its the amount of work that goes in it.
    Ever hand sanded ports.. and polished them.
    And checked what kind of springs are going on them. Probably Bob Woods lifetime springs.
    If so the springs are 300.00 by themselves. They come with a lifetime guarantee if I remember right .

    The heads, cams and pistons if the most of the build that counts.

    If I get heads done they will cost 1250.00 Minimum.
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    Yes he told me that the valves would be punched to a bigger size and all of the other stuff. Still a lot of money. I will most likely spend the money.
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    YOu will be glad you did. you will like the results from a Good set of heads .
    And as you know a good set of heads complements the hell out of the cam.
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    I didn't ask what springs are going in. If it Woods stuff, I may have to say to put something different in there... :roflmao:

    I just threw the idea out to Scott via email that I am willing to consider a different exhaust. I did say that I am really stubburn about this subject. I am trying.. :roflmao:

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