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Popping / backfire 1200c

Discussion in 'CVP Stage 1 Tuners Kit' started by cboggs, Jul 4, 2013.

  1. kenfuzed

    kenfuzed Administrator Staff Member

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    Yes I would pass on drilling a new slide. The drilling is more for older slides that may have burs in the original hole. I would however use the supplied spring instead of the stock one.

    Roadster Guy, yes I received notice from Canadian Post back through USPS that they damaged your package, so I shipped a new one.
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    Thank you. Much appreciated.
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    Have you tried pulling a vacuum check on your line. with a hand vacuum pump? Mine was acting like that, when I tested it I couldn't pull a vacuum.It was my voes leaking.I was losing vacuum and had no spark advance. Made a big difference fixing that.
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    Late model Sportsters did away with the VOES and was replaced by a MAP sensor. This is good info for those with earlier models.

    Speaking of sensors, beginning with the 2004 model Harley began utilizing trouble codes that can be read through the speedo. This can be done without any special tools and without a trip to the dealer. It's a good idea on the 04-06 models to check for any trouble codes first. This would tell you if you have a bad MAP or CKP sensor.
    Harley Diagnostic Trouble Codes
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    Ken,

    Thanks for the trouble code info,, I checked,, all clear.

    I also installed the new needle you sent,,
    didn't change.

    However,, through this entire thing,, I've neglected
    to check float level! Ok, yes I know,, basic thing I
    shoulda checked,,,
    It acts like it's running out if fuel,, doesn't want
    to leave from a stop light,, spits and misses
    at constant cruze.
    I replaced the petcock,, could float level be it?
    Only thing is it seems much worse in hot weather.
    Rode the other day in 95 degrees and had to
    take it home, just wouldn't run!!

    Ideas?

    Curtis
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    OK, .. just got back from riding, .. runs 1,000X better !!! still needs some minor tweeking
    but at least now it's ridable!

    What did I find?, .. well, every time I've had the carb off, .. I left the choke cable attached
    to the carb, .. and when I put it back on I routed the choke cable OVER
    the wires for the MAP sensor.
    The choke cable would pull down on the MAP sensor wires and make it leak around
    it's little rubber seal.
    Once I fixed that, .. much better.

    I also installed the 2003 needle that you sent Ken, that did seem to help too.

    Bike runs good, .. but there are still some minor issues.
    It still is a little "sensitive" leaving a light, it did pop and stall once.
    It still doesn't want to take throttle from an idle after it gets warm.
    it's not nearly as bad as it was but it still has a minor issue.

    I've got the lowspeed adjustment out about 3 turns, .. I turned it in
    and the bike didn't start to stumble till it was all the way seated.

    part throttle riding, 35, 45 etc, smooth as silk ! so if I can fix the off idle
    hesitation it will be perfect !!!

    Ken, any idea where I go from here?

    Curtis
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    Glad to hear you are on the road to success with your issues. Quick question, did you have any difficulties getting your CVP EZ mixture screw to thread in? My stock mixture screw threads in and out fine, but the supplied EZ just screw seems to bind up after about 3-4 turns in. Is it just the cut of the threads so it does not fall out? I don't want to force it, but it seems to want more persuasion than I feel comfortable to give. And yes, the threads look excellent.
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    Roadster guy, .. yes mine also had the threads a little "tight" but nothing that didn't
    feel correct. I would assume the threads should be a little tight.

    Also on my deal, .. the carb mounting plate the bolts to the heads, ...
    the two "lugs" where it attaches to the head, .. I ground about 1/8" off of to
    pull the carb into the manifold tighter.

    Curtis
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    Have you tried checking the voes . (vacuum operated electric switch)
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    didn't know it had one, ... where is it located on a 2004 xl?
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    I think somewhere on this thread someone mentioned that the VOES is on pre 2004 sportsters and in 2004 they went with a different system using a MAP sensor, seems to ring a bell with something I read on this forum...
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    Cboggs, question, do you know if a velocity stack would benefit my riding style? 2000-3000RPMs mostly, usually in town or country roads, with a zip up to 5000rpm once in a blue moon. I'm thinking my driving style is too old to benefit from one, but if it smooths out airflow and gives torque at the bottom end I may have to try one. I see by your listed occupation you may have an opinion.
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    VOES (vacuum operated electrical switch) would only be on earlier models. A 2004 would have a MAP sensor mounted on top of the manifold.

    You mentioned the choke (enrichener) cable pulling down on the MAP sensor wires. This should not move the sensor at all if it is screwed in, they have a small set screw and clamp hold it down and a gasket underneath. If the gasket is broken or the wire connector is bad this could be the source. Any ability to move the sensor would not only allow an intermittent vacuum leak but also send the wrong reading to the ignition.

    I would hold off on changes to the intake (velocity stack, etc) until the carburetor is dialed in.
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    YEP, no VOES on that bike. I am thinking that this is the same thing that is happening with my bike. (The FLTR). :banghead:
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    My MAP sensor is very loose in the bracket, .. it can be pushed side to side
    and does have a leak when I do that, ..

    Replace the gasket?
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    kenfuzed Administrator Staff Member

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    The MAP should have a clip retainer as shown below that keeps the sensor from moving around. There is a replacement seal (second picture below) that is sold at any dealership or J&P.
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    Seal at J&P Cycles
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