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SYN 3 Oil

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by Hdtractor1, Aug 15, 2008.

  1. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Not doubting the info but...

    If he turned the afr to 12-1 to get better mileage where was it before 10 to1 either way that is waaaayyyyyyyyyy rich.

    14.7 is stoich. - perfect burn mix of air to fuel - Very Lean

    14.3 is the figure in most SERT cells on HD maps and still is very lean

    14.1 is generally acceptable in 10 to 30% throttle position under 3K rpm for higher gas mileage and about as lean as I would go.

    13.4 - 13.7 is good for rich for more power

    12's is really really rich AFR

    IE the lower the ratio of Air to fuel the richer the mix and typically the lower the fuel mileage.
  2. Hot01

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    Ya know Hdtractor, when I got my motor work done over the winter, they had me run regular oil in it for the first 3,000 - 5,000 miles. I trust my mechanic there. I think it had something to do with seating the new rings.

    I think I figured out another reason why my motorcycle has been so good to me. I noticed tonight that every time I put her away, I tell her how beautiful she is. ;)
  3. Hdtractor1

    Hdtractor1 New Member

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    lol...Hot01 yes I put 4200 on before I just made the total switch out...I had a wrench hand who is the "Charlie Daniels"of the torc wrench to tell me same thing on rings seating well 4 to 5 k is best.....and you should tell her how hot she is when you put her away,ya never want her to get an attitude towards ya away from home!!
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    That works well for people too ;)
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    Hey ya know, everyone has a different approach as to how many miles. What ya have to bare in mind is that no matter what lubricant you use the oil in the crank case still gets contaminated and should be changed more frequently. It is true that synthetic oil does hold up longer than conventional oil, but if you want your engine to last a long, long time, then change your oil every 2,500 miles and don't skimp on the product. My choice for engine lubricant is amsoil 20/50. I had switched to redline for all 3 but I'm going back to amsoil for my engine. For the primary and trany I still prefer redline...Just my 2 "JAZZ":cool:
  6. HellBoy

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    Jazzhog, If I get you correctly, you tried Amsoil for the tranny and primary and preferred Redline. If so, please give more details.
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    I prefer redline for trans & primary because IMO is superior to amsoil. Redline trans oil has shockproof that really helps the gearing. I find that the redline shockproof queits down the shifting and you don't get that slaming effect. The primary MTL is not so critical I just think that it is a good product so I prefer it. As for the engine, Well, after using amsoil for 8 years in my twincam when I did the change I notice that the redline synthetic dint cool as good as amsoil, and that's why I switched back. It really is a matter of preference when it comes to lubricants. I'm a firm believer in good quality lubricants when it comes to my scoot. I never skimp out on quality, that's just me. For the must part you could probably use any type of lubricant and it will be fine so long as you frequently change your engine oil. Just my 2 "JAZZ":cool:
  8. Hdtractor1

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    One more question to add....When Running Syn 3 harley oil where should the level read on dip stick? The Hand guide says half way between full and add level on a cold motor.I had one person tell me it should read all the way to full level with syn.3 on cold motor and half way mark with regular Harley oil......there is one to think on...I would think it would be the same for both types of oil...lol....
  9. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    i run mine on the half mark, mobil one. if i try to run on the full mark it spits it out................:)
  10. Hdtractor1

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    Chuck where does you oil spit out from when its on the full mark?It seems I must have same problem.I had 5000 mile service done and rode the bike in and waited 2 hours while they performed the service.( I expect motor was still warm and dealer filled to full mark)I have some oil spitting out right side of motor near the air cleaner. Some has told me that filling to full mark while bike is warm/ hot is too much oil some has told me it should be on full with syn.3 hot or cold.I hate to go clear to dealer if its just too much oil...I can get it out with a syringe. No oil leaked before the 5000 mile service
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    If there is too much oil it will spit out of the crank breather(by your air cleaner).If the bike sat for 2 hrs I'd say it cooled off,unless they ran it for a few mins before changing the oil.
    You have to leave a little room in the oil tank for expansion,I fill mine more than past the half mark,to about 1/4-1/8" below the full line. Since the oil is also to help cool the engine i fill it as high on the dipstick as I can without it blowing out of the breather.
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    I always put 3 quarts of oil, that's it. I never have a problem with overfill or oil spitting out...
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    The touring bikes call for 4 qts. Add 3 1/2 qts, run the bike to warm it up then check the level with the bike on the side stand
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    I would have thought that how much oil ( syn or dino) had been worked out by now. Isn't there one clear answer to "how full", or is it different with each bike?
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    it is different with each model of bike......some hold more than others, also take into consideration add on's.....oil coolers, ect.............:)
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    Fill my 02' Heritage to the full mark, no problems!:D
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    It seems certainly thats the case.... each model is different.

    I called dealer Service Mgr. Today where I bought my Streetglide and he told me a different story than other dealers at the 105 this past week...On 08 flh if you have removed the stock air filter and installed the stage 1 kit the excess oil spitting out of the vent is because the stock air filter tubes have been removed along with the stock air cleaner assembly.By putting a screaming eagle filter it will not hold the spitting of the oil like a K&N air filter will.(I did put the stage 1 on my bike with pipes)......(Its also the first time I rode the bike on freeway for long periods of time at 70 to 75 miles an hour going to 105 in Milwalkee)

    When I ask what was causing it to spit to start with? He said when you run 70 to 75 miles an hour on freeway for long periods of time or idleing for long periods of time builds the pressure up in motor and it will spit and its normal.

    He said when I check the oil I should run bike until its hot and it should read full.He said not to check oil cold.Accoring to his explanation if you run 65 to 75 for a long run....that all of them do it and stock air filter assembly will "hold" the excess oil and rider has no knowledge of the process.

    I do have oil cooler on the bike as well.

    Not sure what the hell to think!!!...lol...
  18. jazzhog

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    I have an S&S a/c with a K&N element also have a oil cooler on my 01 fatboy never had oil spitting out at any speed. I always put three quarts and when I check it hot is up to the full line...;)
  19. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    the after market backing plates have vent returns in them also.....unless they are blocked. the larger bolts holdin it to the head should be hollow and have a hole in the side of them......if not, the bolts are the problem..... yes you removed the stock vent tubes, but replaced them with a better wayto get the excess back into the engine,,,,,if the correct bolts were used.....:)
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    Loosing Oil

    HELLO FOLKS; I JUST PICKED UP A NEW 08 ULTRA A FEW MONTHS AGO. IDO A LOT OD CITY DRIVING AND A FEW ROAD TRIPS. TOOK IT IN FOR THE 1000MI CHECK UP. 3000MI LATER, I CHECKED THE OIL. COULDNT BELEIVE IT WAS 8OZ LOW. WENT TO THE DEALER. THEY TOLD ME THAT HARLEY TOLD THEM THAT A QUART EVERY 1000MI WAS NORMAL. I CANT BELEIVE THIS. IF THAT WAS THE CASE, I WOULD GIVE THE BIKE OIL CHANGES WHEN I TAKE IT ON A TRIP. ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS...THANKS GUYS:banghead:

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