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Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by cardboard, Jul 22, 2015.

  1. cardboard

    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    So I guess I will stir up some stuff.

    And just like my Buddy that is a Amsoil dealer and has been going to ROT rallies and selling the Amsoil. He could only hear amsoil talk.


    Well I had the problems with Amsoil and my 2008 EG Tranny and all. I don't like Amsoil.

    He got a noise in his Primary, he took his bike to a Indy dealer he has know forever when he lived in Kileen.
    The Indy owner has been working on bikes all his life, and his son works there with him now and he's in his 30's.
    They tore the bikes primary down. There was metal on the stator and in the primary.
    1st thing the Shop owner ask's is what kind of OIL do you have in your bike.
    Amsoil !
    The shop dude said you know I don't give a Dauyn what kind of oil you run in your bike. Cause y'all are going to bring them to me and I'm gonna fix & repair them.

    But the best 2 Oils I have seen that we like the Best is Harley Syn 3 oil and Castrol RS Vtwin RS Vtwin 20w-50 oil.
    We have seen less metal shaving, and less problems with only these 2 oils.
    But you run whatever you feel comfortable with. And bring your bike to me for repairs.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I doubt the oil caused any damage, too many cars, trucks, boats and planes are amsoil users including HD bikes, yamasukihondaktm too.

    Most likely there was a tolerance failure, setup failure, part fatique, operator error such as not filling it to capacity or just a "shit happens" problem
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    O.K. I ran nothing but Amsoil in my 08 EG. I know how much to put in it.
    I had run nothing Amsoil SVO 75-90 when I had the tranny problems.
    HD has setup the tranny. Had a neighbor with a 08 that didn't run Amsoil and he had no problems. He ran Syn 3 in his.
    I have ran nothing but Harley SYN3 oil and Mobil 1 Syn in my new bike.
    40,000 miles without a problem.

    When I used to put it in the motor, it sounded like the motor was hammering itself.

    And as the dude that has had a shop for 40 yrs said. He will put in your bike WHATEVER you want. He don't care. He just made suggestions of the oil that he likes the best and the results.

    But everybody has confidence and jn the oil they think is the best.
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    Where did the metal come from? The primary chains? Gears? Clutch basket? Need more info before I would make a conclusion on what caused failure.


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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    They wound up replacing the Compensator sprocket. Spraying down the stator and the whole inner primary to clean the metal shaving out.

    I know when I built my bike and put the Hayden Tensioner in it.
    I had the compaensator sprocket to start making a noise. But there was no metal shavings in the primary. I had Mobil 1 in my primary oh !

    Don't think on a 2011 Road Glide you are gonna get that kind of metal shavings out of the clutch.
    The checked the output shaft on the tranny and replaced the seal on it.

    I did not remember the full details of what was done.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Well two bikes out of 200,000 total build doesn't represent a good sample
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Where did you get 2 bikes.
    I told you a INDY owner that has been in business for about 40 yrs and works on the bikes for a lot of the people at Ft Hood , Texas and the people around there.
    You are on the edge of the Hill Country.
    Got any idea how many people ride the Hill Country in West Texas.
    Or go threw that area going to Lukenbach, Texas ?

    And like I said run the oil you like, It ain't my bike


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    People ride the Hill Country and Big Bend state park all year long.
    You are on the edge of the desert here.
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    Nice pic.
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    I agree run what you want...

    However earlier i thought I read that you and a buddy ran amsoil and had issues, that's two bikes.

    I have two friends that run Amsoil and have for years and have zero issues...

    Point is even if you add in Billy Bobs Bobber and Bike Boutiques BS
    about oil, which I doubt he's a qualified, trained and educated physicist on
    the properties and dynamics of oil, might be a nice guy and a good wrench but
    he's a shop selling stuff and I doubt he ran an oil analysis to determine what happened.

    And if Amsoil had caused the failure they warranty the stuff, and whomever
    was a victim of the "oil problem" wouldn't have been out a dime.

    People wrongly associate problems with a lot of things when it costs them
    money but themselves, I'll bet BP's had a ton of those issues with customers over
    the years...

    I have a local shop here that up to 5 year ago was telling people that
    synthetic oil was too slippery and caused bearing skate, he knew that because
    he put cams in a bike, they spun and damaged the engine, his excuse was the synthetic oil the "customer' brought in. Right away I knew never to take this
    guy any work he's a BS artist, his shop fugged up a cam install and he blamed
    it on the customers oil with a BS excuse to not have to cover an engine he
    fugged up. Nice enough guy, still there today, been there 50 years, well known
    and still has a lot of business however he's full of shidt...

    In all likely hood the damages discussed here were due to either
    bad mechanical parts, insufficient lubrication, owner abuse, but not
    due to the product used to oil the stuff.

    I'm not an Amsoil person I run Mobil 1, in all three holes, 47,000 miles
    on this bike and not one oil related failure....
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    My Buddy had been running REDLINE Oil.
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    Thanks

    Big Bend, Texas

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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Redline amsoil mobile 1 doesn't matter


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    I run Mobile 1 and it does the job. Have a friend who sells Shaffer oil and everyone swears by it. Just change it on time every time and the oil will do its job.
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    Cardboard we run our roads hard and fast sweeping corners. This pic of of this road with MT Hood was last Sunday and was 100F out.

    Your roads look cool would like to ride them also.
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    I would be concerned by a mechanic telling me that amsoil caused metal shavings. That is nonsense.

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    The Mechanic was a Harley DEaler that I have been going to for years.
    And it was the service mg.

    I was a Amsoil dealer for 11 yrs.
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    And now you use Valvaline.
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    Amsoil is a fine product. I use good ol' dino oil in my shovel - 50 wt. racing oil. No problems with it, and it's a bit less costly than the synthetics. I tend to agree with HRK - I think most mechanical failures are due to a mech's bad work or maybe the rider might be a thrasher or doesn't keep up on the bike's maintanance. I remember one day in Tattoo's shop a guy brought his bagger in for an oil change and it was so thick and black I took some on my fingers and rubbed a bit over the scuffed toes of my boots. They looked like new after that!

    Really nice pictures of those Texas roads, CB. In my area, the roads are mostly flat, but curvy, too.
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Transmission NEVER had a mechanic to touch it till it started making a Noise on the way back from Big Bend state park.

    And I guess all the good mechanics that do their own work would also say the mechanic did this to my bike since they have no idea what they did when they went to MMI.


    Maybe Harley should check some of their products before they release them.
    They are using the public for their testing and letting us soak up the problems.

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