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Discussion in 'Pull up a chair and sit for a spell' started by JohnnyBiker, Dec 7, 2010.

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  1. JohnnyBiker

    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    A tax concession isn't a handout????
    JohnnyBiker, Dec 9, 2010
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    No, it's an incentive.

    A handout is giving something to someone for nothing,

    A concession or incentive is offering something to someone in
    return for future revenue.

    Most of these concessions are in the form of reductions of a
    percentage of revenue, such as half off of property tax for a
    new plant for 10 years, then the tax kicks back in to full amount.

    The city at that point has more revenue than it would if it did nothing
    because without the incentive the plant would not be there, ergo revenue would be zero.

    Say Joes Widgets wants to move and build a $100 Million plant

    City A has no plant, has people on unemployment, and offers
    Joes' a deal on taxes. Zero year one, 50% year 2-9, full after 10

    At the end of Year two they have 50% of what they would have gotten
    but 100% more than they would have had, if the plant wasn't there.

    City gains revenue at a lower rate, company gets a discount to
    offset costs of putting in a plant.

    Money is exchanged, and in this case the city received funds
    increasing it's coffers, it never expends revenue...
    hotroadking, Dec 9, 2010
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  4. JohnnyBiker

    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    So you are saying that (since I have used Alabama as an example), the state does not have any say or will not dictate on what they wages will be in order to receive that concession??? I have a real hard time believing that.

    Capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    That is a part of the negotiation. So then in turn, it is socialism. Both by the company and by the government.

    It is disguised as capitalism, but now the government becomes vested with that company, which no longer means that it is privately held.
    JohnnyBiker, Dec 9, 2010
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  5. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    The federal government sets minimum wages, however
    in the negotiations the company will offer to give a specific
    amount of funding (payroll that is NEW) to the area.

    You are confusing a handout of cash for nothing
    with the infusion of new jobs, payroll, payroll taxes
    and jobs in swap for reduced tax expenses.

    Socialsim has nothing to do with it.
    hotroadking, Dec 9, 2010
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  6. JohnnyBiker

    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    Socialism is not solely based on cash handout!!!

    BTW, they really are not creating new jobs. They have to displace other workers in one market only to replace them in another.
    JohnnyBiker, Dec 9, 2010
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    They are creating new jobs in the new area, and one could argue they
    are creating new jobs period as without the incentives the jobs
    could leave the USA.
    hotroadking, Dec 9, 2010
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  8. JohnnyBiker

    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    I would agree with this if the company was going to that state as an expansion as opposed to a lateral move with a whole bunch of benefits provided by either local or state governments. You gave an example of job retention. It is creating new jobs in that market, yes, but it takes jobs away from another. How can that equal "overall new job creation?
    JohnnyBiker, Dec 9, 2010
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  9. FLHTbiker

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    By the way I just heard the demo's just voted down the deal obamba boy made with the repub's to extend the tax credits. Now that's the demo's democracy, screw the people we just want to pay back the republicans for taking over the house. What a joke we need to clean house a bit further. :banghead:
    FLHTbiker, Dec 9, 2010
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  10. JohnnyBiker

    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    Yep, their fiscal policy is very dangerous. they claim that they are going to use the money to pay down the debt. Bulllshiiiit! :gah:
    JohnnyBiker, Dec 9, 2010
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    What year is the Springer looks nice.
    bagger, Dec 10, 2010
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    I think the 01 is the year doesn't mean he has just 1

    just kiddin :roflmao::roflmao: "I need to get out and ride damit"
    BluePearl, Dec 10, 2010
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  13. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Its a 2001 with Ken's carb kit and V-Ductor and a 95 big bore kit installed. Runs very strong. Wifes got a Trike and I got a bagger also.
    Yes, for sure we need to get out and ride, sheesh rained so hard today you'd need pontoons on the bike and tomorrow your gonna need the pontoons and a sail.
    FLHTbiker, Dec 10, 2010
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    Ya shoulda comeon down and rode with us today.
    Rode with a sweatshirt on.

    Went to 68* and going to 73* tomorrow.

    Gonna cool off sunday but gonna be back up in the 70's next week.
    I like that......:D
    cardboard, Dec 10, 2010
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  15. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    No crapola there dude, wished I was out riding with yea all for sure.
    FLHTbiker, Dec 10, 2010
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    Went in Bodacious BBQ

    Got a sliced Beef sandwich with Link on it and Japalino BBQ sauce on it.
    Mmmmmmmmmmm

    Thinking about going back to the Japalino Tree Mexican resturant.
    They got the best Mexican food. I've ever had........;)

    http://www.jalapenotree.com/index.php?option=com_sobi2&sobi2Task=sobi2Details&sobi2Id=11&Itemid=

    Catch me in the morin and ya can go with us........

    Mmmmmmmmmmm

    We might Stop by Lugnutzs and drink a Beer too.....
    This is a packed bar with motorcycles everywhere.
    Hog members meet there too.

    Home Page
    cardboard, Dec 10, 2010
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  17. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Please stop I can't take it anymore :( I love spicy mex food and Japalino's)
    FLHTbiker, Dec 10, 2010
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    We had a fajata and shrimp dinner for two.
    I hurt myself as well my wife and everybody else.
    And I think it was the manager came threw and asked if everything was O.K.
    We said it was Killer. and told him what we had. He asked it we tried another
    Fajatias dinner, we said No, But were coming back. Everybody raved at how good the food was.....
    This is the best Mexican resturant we've ever been to.
    They had some kind of sause on the side I've never had too. It was garlic sause or something. I'd have to ask the OL but it was good....

    It's like 95 miles north of my pad.


    http://www.jalapenotree.com/menu_dl/Jalapeno_Tree_Menu.pdf
    cardboard, Dec 10, 2010
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  19. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Cool, Chuck like it to. Wished I was there, sounds real good.
    FLHTbiker, Dec 10, 2010
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  20. chucktx

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    thanks for the invite...dude....:rant:
    chucktx, Dec 10, 2010
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  21. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    he dont call me to ride anymore..............skeerd im gonna out run him again i guess....................cardboard, i promise to let ya lead and set the pace......:)
    chucktx, Dec 10, 2010
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